Even the founding fathers found New Yorkers obnoxious

"MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s" (mastermario) 08/01/2018 at 18:41 • Filed to: Fun facts

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I’m reading a book on the American Revolution and came across this diary entry from John Adams

New Yorkers se emingly have a long tradition of being brash, loud, and obnoxious. :)

ttyymmnn > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 08/01/2018 at 18:52

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John Adams was a goddam gem. Where are men like him today? If you haven’t yet, you should read David McCullough’s biography of Adams. It’s fantastic. As I approached the end of the book, I was just hoping Adams wouldn’t die, like the badass hero of some adventure novel. Jefferson was kind of a prig, but Adams the the man .

HammerheadFistpunch > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 08/01/2018 at 18:52

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If you happen upon a conversation about the subterranean transit you will hope to find the means to end ones life as it seems to be a topic of great disagreement . In spite of this you will not find disagreement a mong them as to the superiority of this city of theirs.  

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > ttyymmnn 08/01/2018 at 18:54

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I’ll have to look for that after I finish this book

wafflesnfalafel > ttyymmnn 08/01/2018 at 19:05

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McCullough’s book is great, (and I think one of his best books too.)  From what I’ve read about him, Adams strikes me as kind of a d!ck, but largely for the right reasons - and sprinkle in a bit of hot temper.  But he could be super effective, especially with his wife mitigating his anger.  Jefferson seems to be more of a “1000 foot level” kinda guy.  Interesting ideas, including some bits of brilliance, but had trouble with the day to day nitty gritty details.  

ttyymmnn > wafflesnfalafel 08/01/2018 at 19:16

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Have you read A Team of Rivals ? I have tried twice to get started on it and can’t quite. Right now I’m reading Dune , another story of political intrigue.

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 08/01/2018 at 19:56

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The HBO miniseries does him justice, IMO, for those of us with short attention spans.

wafflesnfalafel > ttyymmnn 08/01/2018 at 20:27

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no..  but his Path Between the Seas is fantastic as well.  Just finished Short Nights of the Shadow Cather about Edward R Curtis - also quite good.  Tortured man but his work is basically nearly the entire basis of all American native culture photography.  

pip bip - choose Corrour > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 08/02/2018 at 07:05

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so DJT is just being normal then?

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > pip bip - choose Corrour 08/02/2018 at 07:58

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The brash, loud, and obnoxious parts yes, but no where did I say stupid and corrupt.

pip bip - choose Corrour > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 08/02/2018 at 08:03

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you make an excellent point.

my bad.